Re: TTF fonts

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From: Russell Marks (russell.marks@dtn.ntl.com)
Date: Mon 14 Feb 2000 - 19:31:41 IST


> > Experts on the widely-read linux-svgalib mailing list today suggested
> > that TrueType fonts should be available in a single standard
> > directory. A spokesman claimed that to think otherwise would be "kind
> > of silly".
> 
> Ouch! Well, f*ck _me_, then. Don't forget that TrueType was first
> developed by Apple, so it's already cross-platform (to some degree).

Ok. Please don't think this was a `fsck you'. It was a joke. It wasn't
even really irony or sarcasm, it was just a fairly straight joke.

> > Seriously, I think a better idea is to have a standard location (or,
> > more likely, hierarchy) for fonts of *all* types. We'd certainly want
> > to include Type 1 fonts, for example (commonly used by both X and
> > ghostscript, at least). And it's all rather meaningless unless there's
> > a) a standard set of free fonts you can be `sure' are going to be
> > there (the URW Type 1 fonts spring to mind), and b) mention of it in a
> > more appropriate forum.
> 
> You perhaps could have sufficed with this paragraph.

I guess. I didn't realise humour was Not Allowed.

> Ok, look -- we already have directories like this:
> 
>   /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts
>   /usr/share/groff/font
>   /usr/lib/ghostscript/fonts
>   /usr/x11R6/lib/fonts
> 
> Would it not make sense to have something for TTF fonts, since AFAIK
> there's nothing currently in place? That's all I was saying. If we had

If I was unclear about this - yes. It would make sense. I don't think
many people would disagree with this, really.

Note, however, that Type 1 fonts are commonly in at least two places
at the moment (for X and ghostscript) - that is, they need this at
least as much as TTFs - hence the hierarchy idea, so you could put
everything under (say) /usr/share/fonts.

> come to some consensus, then we could have promoted the idea elsewhere.
> 
> If you feel that having a TTF directory is an inherent rip-off of M$, then

I don't - I thought MS (and esp. the irritating Mr. Ballmer) just
might, in their paranoid way. It was a joke.

> programs that use TTF fonts can just include the fonts in the source
> tarball. I was hoping to avoid 10+ programs that all included Arial, but
> maybe that's what'll have to happen.

Let me try this in the style of Digitiser (I'm sure that'll mean a
great deal to people not living in the UK and reading teletext :-)):

It. Was. A. Joke.

It's a fine idea. All I'm saying is, don't be font-format-specific if
possible, and try this on (say) comp.os.linux.misc, or
comp.os.linux.x, or something. Or even a non-Linux-specific group.
linux-svgalib is IMHO not a great place to talk about it, because so
few of the people who would be affected (or have an interest in how
things would turn out) read it.

> If you want an all-encompassing fonts hierarchy, with perhaps links to the
> aforementioned directories, then that would be a good idea, too.

Yep - I think a hierarchy is needed, as I really don't see a
single-format approach taking off. And as you say (more or less),
symlinks are probably going to be needed for compatibility reasons.

> We all appreciate your efforts with zgv, but that doesn't give you free
> reign to lambast legitimate posts. Where is your sarcastic wit when
> people keep asking the same questions about setuid root?  :)  I don't want
> to be at odds with you, but I think your last post was a bit excessive.

I think you took it too seriously. I was in no way trying to be
sarcastic, or anything other than just reasonably humorous (your post
gave me a mildly funny idea, so I went with it - if anything, I was
parodying the figures I featured in my post, and if I say so myself, I
thought I had a pretty good RMS :-)). I wasn't trying to make a point
with it, and I certainly wouldn't have done it if I'd thought you'd be
offended. I'm genuinely sorry if that was the effect; it wasn't the
intent.

To be honest though, I don't think my last post was unreasonable, and
I'm afraid I consider your reaction to it unnecessarily ill-humoured.
I feel like I've stood up, told a joke, then been punched in the face
for overreacting. Now *that* strikes me (so to speak) as ironic.

I just hope *someone* other than me found it amusing, 'cos you've
killed the joke stone dead now, that's for sure. Thanks for that. :-/

-Rus.


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